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in a big lull retirement party. well, don is not here anymore. this seems awfully unfair. he passed away with his beloved family beside him this week. he was only 59. so do lots of love tonight to don's wonderful wife, parma, their children, and their grandbaby. his work best diana and a whole crew at msnbc in new york. because we are family. and when one of us is gone all of us are lost. love and miss you, big warmer. and that is tonight's read out. all in with chris hayes starts now. yes starts now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. we've got new reporting tonight that special counsel jack smith's team is looking at the hectic days at the end of
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trump's tenure in the run up to january 6th, particularly a meeting that occurred on december 18th, 2020, roughly six weeks after election and a few weeks below before january 6th in the oval office between donald trump and his most conspiracy obsessed outside advisers lawyers. it was just one of trump's last-ditch efforts to cling to power and overturn the election. >> on friday, december 18th, this team of outside advisers paid him a surprise visit in the white house that would quickly become the stuff of legend. the meeting has been called unhinged, not normal, in the craziest meeting of the trump presidency. they brought to the white house a draft executive order that they're prepared for president trump to further his ends, specifically they propose the immediate mask seizure of state election machines by the u.s. military. >> take a second to think about how that would've gone over. the immediate massacre of u.s. voting machines by the military. what would that mean? what would that auger for the
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country? that infamous meeting happened late at night and lasted roughly six hours. it includes election conspiracy theorists sydney powell who managed to get facetime with trump without an appointment. other attendees included trump's first national security michael flynn, former overstocks ceo patrick byrne and trump attorney rudy giuliani. it was the meeting that the diuresis committee spent extensive time highlighting in their hearings nearly a year ago. >> i got a call either from mali or from eric herschmann, that i need to get to the oval office. >> it was the first point that i had recognized, okay, there's nobody in there from the white house. no one knows what's going on right now. >> i opened a -- and i walked in, and i saw general flynn. i saw sydney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office.
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i don't think they were providing. well, first of all, an overstock person, i did know who this guy was. actually the first thing i did, i walked in, i looked at him, and i said who are you? >> flynn said i was a quitter and everything, i felt like turning around and screaming at him. and certain point i had it but then, you know, i yield back. -- >> it was a wild meeting, as you can tell, by all accounts. it was during the meeting that trump's advisers, advisers, suggested to trump, invoke martial law as part of his efforts to take over the country against the will of the voters. they also discussed naming sydney powell as a special counsel, like, as part of the department of justice, to investigate the so-called voter fraud. we are now learning the federal investigators have, quote, asked several witnesses before the grand jury entering
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interviews about the meeting. some witnesses were asked about the meeting months ago, while several others have faced questions about it more recently, including rudy giuliani. in june, giuliani sat down with investigators over two days and provide testimony under what is called a proffer agreement. that means prosecutors agree not to use anything you say in a criminal proceeding against two as they consider whether to extend immunity in exchange for testimony. but it is news the doj is finally looking into that crazy unhinged meeting over two and a half years after we first learned of it happening. and nearly one year to the day since the jarry six committee held a hearing about it. since then, the committee issued over 800-page report along with over 2000 pages of transcribed depositions. you read them online. i often do. they're fascinating. they held ten televised hearings where they laid out the evidence against donald trump and his drop advisors. they went on to issue or criminal referrals, citing specific parts of u.s. criminal
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code and provide the public in the history books a meticulously detailed account of the cool. all this without the powers the department of justice has to compel peoples testimony. but at the time, there was a question of, is doj looking at this also? like, sure seems like some crimes are happening here, or at least there is enough predicate to start an investigation into whether crimes were committed. listen how constitutional scholar laurence tribe put it on this show, all the way back in december, 2021. >> when a ship or stated leaking you don't say i'm not gonna try to go plug the hole, let somebody else to it first. a lot of people who have looked at this say that time is really of the essence. it is never too late to start. and if merrick garland is not already getting up a full blown investigation he should do so yesterday. if not yesterday, tomorrow. >> that was december, 2021.
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so here we are now in the summer of 2023. a long time has passed. there is a sense of a race against the clock. that's offense, an actual one. donald trump is declared his run for office. the iowa caucuses are roughly just six months away. special counsel's office under jack smith does seem to be moving quickly and aggressively. impressively so. their office issued a sweeping 37 count indictment against the president the classified indictments case. they've asked for a trial this december. we don't know about the precise timeline for the january 6th portion of jack smith's investigation. we just learned something that happened back in december of 2020 is the subject of interviews in june of 2023. it doesn't mean that there weren't interviews before. but there's a question about, what happened inside the department of justice? the washington post recently reported the department of justice hesitated and delayed it will opening an
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investigation of donald trump and the attempted coup. attorney general merrick garland and lisa monaco charted a cautious course aimed at restoring public trust in the department while some prosecutors below the chafed, feeling top officials were shaving away from looking at but crimes by trump in those close to him. i think that story, as of now, is the one it seems to best fit the facts that we know and can observe from the outside and the reporting going on inside. that garland was and, not unwarranted lee so, extremely concerned about the political perception of the fbi in that round of justice, especially after trump waged war against it for four years. and then you have trump attorney general lynn buyer who set off john durham creating a counter narrative of the myths conduct by the fbi in the russia investigation. how unjustly trump had been targeted. that it was in fact in the end a witch hunt. although, when he issued his
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report, it wasn't. amidst that context, trying to preserve this political neutrality and reputational capital of the institution that he's running, the department of justice, garland, in the lack of oh invest to open an investigation for the top down didn't, until the department of justice was forced to. when trump declared his run for presidency, when he became officially a candidate, he forced garland's hand to appoint a special counsel, and the special counsel, jack smith, as i said, as moved with incredible speed and aggressiveness. but here we are now. it's july 2023. we now face the situation. the former president who tried to overthrow the american constitutional order and sick a violent mob mob on the capital on live television, is the current front runner for the republican nomination. he could be indicted for his attempts to and the
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constitutional republic. we don't know but possibly as soon as the summer. and subsequent to that indictment for the crime of attempting to end america's constitutional experiment, he could conceivably run the clock out and not face trial for what would be the grave is putting colin call crime since the civil war. and then maybe get reelected. that seems like not a great outcome. i can't help but wish we had started a little earlier. former republican congressman from virginia who later left the party. he served as a senior staffer to the january six committee any joins me now. cue tell me a bit about how you understood, during the time they were doing research for the committee, what the department of justice was up to, if there's any interaction with them, i don't think there was any formally, but do you have a sense that these are the things that the department of justice should look at, and are they going to, at some point?
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>> well, chris, you've heard us saying, whether smoke there's fire. where those fire this fire. when you talk about december 18th, we have all this data coming, and we already had text messages by the time that we had started the investigation with waldron, with sydney powell talking to mark meadows. it was what was amazing to me, i thought i had this treasure trove is i got contacted by some intelligence researchers about a -- call on the catch and we saw the executive order when -- you try about the crazy december 18th meeting, i can see the migration of using executive order or eel 13 and 48 to overturn the election. it was amazing. we had all this data, we had all this fire going on, these ones and zeroes, then we had patrick byrne's own website posting the migration of this kind of proof, trying to formulate some kind of plan to prove foreign interference. so it was so overwhelming, so cool like in a way that it was absolutely structured, i could
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imagine we wouldn't be sharing that with the justice department. it's amazing, knowing what i know now. there was no tiger team sharing the information. for me it was doing counterterrorism for a long hours looking at that is a terrorism investigation. i really felt there should have been -- the first day we started. in hindsight i think that might have been a mistake that kind of data sharing wasn't happening. >> to that point, there was a back and forth, both while you are working with committee subsequent to your departure from the committee, all the way to the end of the committee's work, both in the hearings in the report about it, report appeared to. question about sharing, in the committee being kind of, like, we're not going to share what we're finding with you until we -- and it always felt to me like part of the subtext to that was, you can go find this stuff. to your point, what is so wild about this and about lawrence tribe saying on this program in december 21, so a secret, some of what was revealed in testimony. a fair amount of it was public.
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>> it was absolutely public. it was such an amazing amount of research. once we were, i would say, collaborating with other types of research and seeing the data simultaneously, i was a bit taken aback not only by the text messaging we found but also by the massive phone records. you're talking about, we had phone calls from the white house to a writer. we also had, we know this now, because we did find the text messages, we actually had oath keepers directly talking to giuliani, appointed by the white house. what are we doing here? so we have all these, how about the white house phone numbers with the ruby contacted that day? we had them all, because we had over 30 million lines of data, all the call records. now that we had this overwhelming amount of data, overwhelming amount of evidence, we have these people in the wide open. they're posting what they're doing online. they think it's hidden, but it's not. anybody savvy, a 12 year old could've found it. so i just found it amazing that
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we're this far down the road after everything that we have. here's what i wonder. we don't have our data anymore. we they only ask for a two said savard data and they're all encrypted haven't even looked at them because we had frequency analysis on every single person on the call records that called everybody and at least it's amazing what we did. and i guess it's just sort of a head-scratcher that we haven't gotten further on any high-level indictments or charges for anybody involved with january 6th. >> i go back and forth on this because cases take a long time to build an this is obviously one of those you'd best not miss kind of situations. if you're gonna do this, you can make sure every i's dotted, every tee's crossed. to me it's not even the end result getting done yet. i can see into that black box. it's not starting until when it appears to have started. it did not start earlier. it didn't even start within weeks.
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we saw what happened. this idea that we're going to start from the bottom up and i get that, but there was also a pretty good with of some crimes being done by the guy in the oval office while it was all unfolding. >> i've been targeting counterterrorism for years. you can start from the bottom of but if you get a gift if, you get a president saying it's gonna be wild, it will be wild tweet, where you have have him retweeting qanon conspiracy theories on foreign interference, digital mules, and it's a hammer and scorecard, military officers that seem to have gone back churchgoers eo there, putting it online, you have all this having simultaneously. you have meadows, i guess he came in gabe's numbered everybody in the country that had some kind of a mental issue. so i think that, again, we have everything. the data is there. and i'm just still not quite sure why we haven't taken that next step to call it for what it is. you have this massive amount of
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activities going on in the open and now in hindsight with the data that we have, how do we not put this to gather a little quicker? i'm glad to see progress, he did a great job is on trump's capability, but i could name you the for people right now that i would be going after. i'll tell, you i'm just not quite sure why they are still walking around out there. >> well, we will hold that and see what development scum in terms of who gets the honor of being the target of this investigation. denver riggleman, thank you very much. >> coming, up how do you teach about the tulsa race massacre without talking about race? the manager of public schools is telling teachers to figure it out. and then as the desantis campaign falters, is he in danger of becoming the next ted cruz? next.
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nobody has been able to match that in the history of modern presidential politics. >> okay, a few things. to be fair to ron desantis, it's an impossible question posed by fox news last night, and there is no good way for any politician to answer. what's wrong with you? why don't people like you? and yet it's a consistent genre of campaign questions. but that really is not the kind of question the candidate wants to be hearing at this point in the campaign. and on that front, desantis really does only have himself to blame for being in this position, polling 30 points behind saw donald trump six weeks after formally launching his bid for president. the florida governor has made a career out of being the far right wing king. it from the don't say gay law to banning trans health care in the state of florida and banning abortion after six weeks in shipping migrants out of the state, possibly and watson believe was a criminal scheme. desantis has positioned himself as the hardest core member of
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the marga army. while that may get him airtime on fox, in fact it has, i don't think it's popular among the general population, the general electorate. also there's a precedent here he should think. out because others have tried this exact same model before, and it failed spectacularly. do you remember the disastrous presidential campaign of one texas senator ted cruz? in 2016 he tried to run on his record as, well, for lack of a better way of raising it, an extreme conservative jerk. in his very first year in office, crews helped engineer a pointless government shutdown. he alienated members of his own party and fueled punchlines with his antics including a secret meeting at a tex-mex restaurant called tortilla coast in a dramatic reading of dr. seuss during a marathon filibuster. >> sam i am. that's sam i am, that's sam i am, i do not like that sam i
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am. do you like green eggs and ham? i do not like them, sam i am. i do not like green eggs and ham. >> crews went on to stake out the further strait positions on everything from immigration to gay marriage in called the landmark supreme court ruling on marriage among the darkest hours of our nation. and i climate change cruz went so far to the rain he fell off his flatter. >> the satellite data demonstrate that there has been no significant warming whatsoever for 17 years. now that's a real problem for the global warming alarmists. today the global warming alarmist are the equivalent of the flat earthers. it used to be, it is accepted scientific wisdom, the earth is flat, and it's heretic man galileo was branded a denier. >> so ladies? how is that holding up? no warming.
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you think there's no warming happening? so that was the 2016 version of the ron desantis playbook. because of not just the right wing as possible. and yes, cruz did eke out a win in iowa. and he took on curly farina as a running mate and he did look like a contender, sort of, for a little while. but in the end, how did the obnoxious far-right act work out for a tiered? >> nasty guy. now i know why he doesn't have one endorsement from any of his colleagues. >> lose the four in a flash. >> i think it would be exciting to get the nomination. >> and beginning to understand why ted cruz has been heated by everyone everywhere from everywhere he's been from kindergarten to the united states senate. >> -- are the trials of the senate >> it's l y i am apostrophe, lie entered. >> lying chaired. >> sir, america is a better
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black neighborhood in tulsa, oklahoma, known as black wall street, was destroyed, ransacked, burned to the ground, by unarmed white mob. as many as 300 people were killed. it was one of the worst incidents of racial violence in u.s. history. for a long time the tulsa race massacre was not well known. even the people in oklahoma.
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in fact it was only added to the state teaching curriculum about 20 years ago. this year's yokohama got a new superintendent of schools, again and ryan walters, who has railed against woke ideology, and specifically critical race theory, which the state formally banned in 2021. last night it all came to headed local library when walters was asked how the ban on critical race theory squares with teaching about the race massacre. we >> very tall so race massacre not follow your definition of crt? >> all right, thank you. i would never tell i cared that because of your color of your skin or your gender or anything like that, you are less of a person or are inherently racist. that doesn't mean you don't do any actions to individuals. you absolutely historically you should. this was right, this was wrong. they do this for this reason. but to say it was inherent in
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there because of their skin is where i say it is critical race theory, you're saying the race to find the person. i reject that. so i would say you be judgmental of the issue of the action, of the content of the character of the individual, absolutely. but let's not tie it to the skin color. >> jamelle bouie is an opinion columnist in the new york times. he writes often on issues of issues of race and the passion for color blindness among figures on the right, especially the supreme court. jamele, i find that a fascinating text. let to speak of it a, i think it's a great question. here is your ideology about what this thing is, let's now use a concrete example and tell me that this fits together. what do you think of what he had to say? >> i also found it so interesting, because there is a way you could understand that. it's not entirely wrong. the people who were killed in
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the tulsa race massacre were killed because there were white people and also who wanted to subjugate them, not because they were black, you see what i'm saying? their skin color didn't cause the thing to happen. because the thing to happen where the actions of the people who pursued who wanted to subjugate them, who were trying to uphold a system of hierarchy and domination. obviously this is not what he means whatsoever. but there's a way in which there is something, there is something there. but i don't think that he would be okay with a teacher teaching what i just said to students, but there is a system of subjugation and domination the produce that particular outcome. >> and he said this today, so he's getting a lot of flak for it and people are saying, the headline wise, you should teach about the tulsa race massacre in a way that's race neutral, which is i thought was a funny way of glossing. it he says until about
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perpetrators. the idea that, the whole idea here is, white kids in school are being tied to feel guilty about being white, and that is a problem with crt, and we don't want to do that. so he says today, i'm referring to individuals who carried out the crime. they didn't act that way because they were white. they acted that way because they were racist, said waters on friday. which, fair enough, but this gets to be the actual value of critical race theory as a way of thinking about this. which is to say it doesn't do justice to what happened they are ordering gym crow. there happened to be a bunch of bad racist people together at one moment who did a bad thing is individuals, which misses the whole point. >> right. there is this desire to tried to find focus so much on individual intention in individual bad behavior or bad thoughts. there is real effort to suppress. what we're talking about was a social system, is a social system. social action. it's not like a random coincidence, like this particular group of people who
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do this particular thing, then we need to talk about the larger circumstances, we need to talk about the system of subjugation and domination. that is like responsible for the race massacre or responsible for whatever atrocity we're talking about. the effort to kind of say no, just talk about the individuals, to me it's an effort just to suppress any discussion of the structural attributes of what has occurred. >> that gets to this subject of your most recent column, which i think was interesting, which is about this race blindness, this idea, and you can hear it in the oklahoma superintendent saying was about the content of their character, which of course is a call back to the alamo theme, which is even subsequently appropriated by conservatives to say like, mlk one iterate blind conscience. it's not about race. it's about what's inside people. and it's the liberals in the leftist to keep putting race on everything. and you write in your common column about how this viewpoint
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has been adopted by majority supreme court. even the constitution in itself, a document that frankly wrestles, particularly reconstruction amendments, with race, is color blind as well. >> right. as you've been talking about, i've been thinking, and i think i have a sense of what my objection to so much of this is. it's that what we are talking about is, we're talking about racism. we're not talking about, it's not a quality people. have it's the system, it's the actions, the hierarchy, the domination. and trying to see that the constitution doesn't speak to racism is ludicrous. as you mentioned, reconstruction clearly speaks to racism. and so to say that we constitution can't recognize rays, we can talk about race, is like innovation. it's trying to change the subject from the actual system, the things, the actions, the
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things that are happening, to an arbitrary characteristic of people. and then once you make that switch you say oh, well why do you care about this arbitrary characteristic about people? we care about the racism. that's what matters here. >> that's right. and that actually a really useful substitution in all of these cases, going back to the black wall street massacre in tulsa. it's not about necessarily the perpetrators, although it's import to understand that in the context, as a racist act of violence, that the racism is the key to understanding. this jamelle bouie, always a must read in the new york times, thank you very much for your time. >> thank you. >> still ahead, it's only the hottest day on earth so far. the inescapable truth about the climate emergency we are facing. that first, the trump judges in some unlikely venues ruling in favor of trans kids and their families. that's next. that's next.
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writes, each minor plaintive has submitted a declaration that details the negative consequences they expected and derives there was a lot of sb1 becoming affective. these expectations are not mere conjecture but our instant supported by the medical evidence on the record. so far, six different federal judges, including trump appointed judges in indiana and alabama have ruled against these bands, either in part or in total. it is a really remarkable string of legal victories for trans rights against any increasingly intense campaign of oppression. jay strangio is the deputy director for the transgender justice division and he joins me now. first of all, your reaction to the opinion in indiana. there has been a series of them in different venues that sound remarkably similar. what is the argument that you are making to federal judgments, like this judge in tennessee, and what is the reception like? >> yeah. so it has a clear and unanimous
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rejection of these laws. when the evidence is untested, which is what we suspected, the judges recognize that there really is no evidence supporting these categorical bans. they are based on ideology opposing trans people, they are based on misinformation, and they are based in politics. we know that this is escalating the lead up to the 2024 presidential election and when we go to court, we argue that these laws violate the equal protection clause and the due process clause of the constitution, and put forth medical evidence, including expert witness testimony that judges are unanimous unclear, and these laws simply do not move up. >> there's something really striking about that. there is something similar with what happened with the claims of voter fraud and voter irregularities. so you have all these people saying they are stealing the votes, and what happens as you go into court and to say, the court asks for evidence. and after 2020, they went zero for 60, right? they went to a bunch of court
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sunday said there is no evidence. it is pretty striking that in this area, where there has been a lot of coverage and contestation of people saying there is a lot of problems with medical care for trans youth, that when they are brought under the rules the federal courts across the ideological spectrum and across geography, it is litigated on the facts, that every single judge basically has cited with plaintiffs like yourself. >> absolutely. and the other, side when the states defending these last reported experts in every single case, the courts, have found that these so-called experts are unreliable, inconsistent, and making claims that simply are illogical. so it is very similar to the allegations, it is similar to the antiabortion playbook in terms of the rhetoric and the way that it is being put in the media. i will say that at the end of the day, having now been in court in four different jurisdictions, we receive a fair play in front of these federal judges across the
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country than we do in the center left media. the new york times, the new york times tonight look at the evidence and the ways that we have these federal judges look at the evidence. when they look at the medical evidence, there is simply nothing supporting these bands other than sensationalized claims, and misinformation. that's really important to understand because at the forefront of this are thousands of young people across the country who are about to lose the medical care that they are relying on and we are falling prey to a campaign of misinformation that is being escalated in the lead up to the 2024 presidential election. >> on that point, i had you podcast wise, this is happening a few months ago, we were talking about this onslaught of these laws. one of the things that you and i were discussing is when we talk about irreparable harm, which is the standard of a law, anyone who is on any kind of medication that they have a prescription to that they need, particularly if you are on ssri, which tens of millions of
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americans are, including myself, you cannot go three or four days and just get cut off from it. >> the irreparable harm of a law that just tells people from one day to the next that you are cut off from your medication that a doctor under doctor supervision has prescribed, do that is something else that has stuck out on these decisions of all of these judges recognizing just how unjustifiable and unjustified that would be. >> absolutely. it would be absolutely catastrophic for the young people, for their parents who would then have to watch them suffer, and the arguments that are put forth as justification's for these bans things like the medication has side effects i think we can all understand that all medication has side effects. things like they label. in pediatrics, sometimes as many as 80% of medications are prescribed off label. every justification is true of so much of medicine that if these justifications were to be credited, then every form of medication, anything could be
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under resolved, and every judge has recognized that. everyone, a parent knows when your child is suffering, you are doing whatever you can to alleviate that suffering. we have parents who are going into court and bearing their souls and the judges think that we are hearing them, and what i want now is for the country to hear those parents, and these young people who need their medication. >> the judge, eli richardson from tennessee, he pointed this out. the consensus of has emerge from these federal courts, i thought it was interesting. though the court would not hesitate to be an outlier if it found such an outcome to be required, the court finds it noteworthy that's resolution of the present motion brings it into the ranks of courts that have unanimously come to the same conclusion when considering very similar things. jay has had quite a role in this outcome in the struggle of course on this continues, but it is very heartening to see this from the federal courts. thank you so much. >> thank, you good to see you. >> still to come, the longest,
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film, don't look up, when people first see the comment that it's headed for earth. the comment being the allegorical stand and for climate change. and it is a moment when the thing that had been predicted, and identified by scientists, but have been abstract is
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finally there right in front of them. >> that's it! that said, that's the comment, look! it's right there! >> that, of course, it's a hollywood traumatize a shun that gives you a kind of spine tingling feel. but i think that that is what the last few days of the actual climate story have been here on real earth. we are seeing hottest day after hottest day. that's thick black line, the
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one on the top that is shooting a past 1.7 degrees? that is a global temperature this year. you see how it goes up there? we've never been here before. this is in a literal sense, off the chart. it gives you a sense that we are truly in an emergency. the thing predicted, the thing we can see in front of us, we can hear, we can feel it, we can see it, that can feel terrifying, and also i have to say kind of defeating. like okay, it's, or what are we gonna do? but in my mind, it focuses, all of us on how quickly we have to move toward carbon free energy, and then on top of that, it crash program to take carbon out of the atmosphere. the only good news is that there have been some really enormous developments on that front happening quietly in the background. meyer is the founding executive of heat map, which is a new site focused on climate change and heat joins me now.
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it is great to have you, i've been a huge fan of heat map, i recommended to people all the time. firstly, to start with that, what we are seeing right now, the sense from someone like yourself who does cover this full-time, who knows it all, of course, intellectually. the data of the last month or so from the temperatures and the atlantic to global average temperature, how it has been affecting you, how you see it. >> absolutely. first of all, thank you for having me, and thank you for recommending heat map, and pointing folks to it. you know, we are trying to do the best we can to document the climate story, and the decarbonization story as well. thank you for that. i think that it has been a shocking year, frankly, and a year where climate change is something that i've covered personally since 2015, and it has really made itself felt. and it has a specially made itself felt, i think for those of us in the eastern half north america. and the way that i compare it,
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is much like that video where people feared the comment for the first time. there was something, you covered the wildfire smoke, and the canadian wildfires on the show. there was something so striking to me about, you know, i've read, i've covered it, i've read u.s. government reports saying that we will see more forest fires across north america. not just in the west, as we have seen so far. that we will see the effects of them on the populated, this half of the populated continent. i've read that line, i wasn't really sure what to think of when i read that line. i imagine kind of the small fires that you sometimes in new jersey, and sometimes in the forest. i never imagined that we would have smoked conditions that were the same or worse then the smoke conditions experienced by major western cities in 2020 and 20 21 to 22.
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and when i was writing uncovering, you'd be able to look at the window and see it. it's just completely unprecedented experience, even as a climate reporter who thinks about these things every day. >> let's talk about where we are at. we need to rapidly decarbonize our energy sources, and economy. and the only thing that i cling to like a life raft, like the door of the titanic amidst all of this is that there really is this encouraging -- that's just me, there is unprecedented deployment happening there, particularly in the last years, in the last year. what gives you some sense of hope about the trajectory of the decarbonization process? >> yes, absolutely. there are two trends right now that i would point to, hoping to show the full scale of the
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challenge. the first is the growth trend is really good. it is like very, very good. if you look at here over year growth, solar, renewable, batteries and evs, every technology we are going to need to defeat, and decarbonize the economy is having one of his best ever right now. so we're just had its best first quarter ever and it would have been his best quarter ever if there had not been rains at the end of the delays, think 82% of new electricity generating capacity added to the u.s. this year will be wind, solar, or batteries. >> wow. >> there is going to be about 20 gigawatts of capacity this year, you can see that, are actually 58 watts. you know, the u.s. electric demand is about 4000 gigawatts. so, even if we are having the current rate, we have to still displaced and shut down all of that fossil generation. and our current rate, even at
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our fastest rate of, or that will take a very long time. so we still have to keep getting that expansion, that growth rate up faster and faster. the rate is almost between the huge fixed capacity, huge fixed fossil capacity we have out there, which is how we do everything in the economy right now, or almost anything, and then this shot of all of the technologies that we need and you would hear growth. i think the second thing that i really point to, it is something that the biden administration has been highlighting as well, and i think that the biden administration is quite surprising and delighted by, dot absolute explosion of investment in new battery and new electric vehicle manufacturing factories and assembly plants in the united states. there has been about 50 billion dollars worth of investment, just since they were signed less than a year ago. i think if you look at all the investments, it is 75,000 new jobs that are being created, and that is not something, that
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kind of huge spurred of investment, it is just not something that was a given three years ago. it is not something we knew what's going to happen in 2018. >> all right, robinson who has been covering this so well at heat map, thank you so much for your time tonight, i appreciate it. >> absolutely, thank you for having me. >> that is all in for this week, alex wagner tonight starts right now, good evening alex. arts right now, good evenin>> i reade entourage that this could be the coolest summer we remember from now on. >> yes, exactly. i think it is a simpson's joke, isn't there is some sense joke where they are like, this will be the hottest summer of my life, and homer says the coolest summer of the rest of your life, i sort of remember that. >> i'm not trying to leave you hanging, and i'm going to now admit on national television that i'm not is simpson's watcher. >> oh, interesting, okay. that's the thing i just learned about you. >> but i doca